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If Everyone Cared…. by Dana Loyd

Posted by Brevardsbestnews on December 30, 2013 in Current Edition |

If everyone cared and nobody cried
If everyone loved and nobody lied
If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
Then we’d see the day when nobody died
When nobody died…”

Lyrics from Nickelback’s If Everyone Cared

I was contacted by Carrie Finch, a former civilian employee of the Brevard County Sheriff’s Office last week, and after hearing her horrific story, I had to share it, immediately.  I hope it enrages you, and I hope that we can start seeing some changes in 2014.

Instead of me re-telling the story, I will share with you the emails that were sent to me, and then we can discuss.

From: Arielle Tyree <atyree@cfpba.us>
To: ctfinch2003@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Complaint 

Carrie,

I haven’t received an email from you regarding your complaint.  Please take your time if you need additional time. I just wanted to make sure you had the correct email address because I haven’t received it yet. 

Have a great weekend. 

Arielle Tyree, Esq.

Coastal Florida PBA/PEA

atyree@cfpba.us
1166 Pelican Bay Drive
Daytona Beach, FL 32119

Phone: 386-304-2393

Fax: 386-788-2126

From: Carrie Finch [mailto:ctfinch2003@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:58 PM
To: Arielle Tyree
Subject: Re: Complaint

Arielle,

Sorry this took me the entire weekend to finish.  I get very nauseated and sick to me stomach having to put this in writing.  I have been throwing up and have had diarrhea, sorry about being so graphic, just writing you this emai.l. This is not easy for me to do but it is necessary.  I have been treated unfairly, and my rights have been violated and if I allow this to happen to me and do nothing, how far will they go next time.  This is what happened,

On May 20, 2012 around the hour of 11:20 at night, I started having a stabbing pain in my right breast.  I went into the bathroom and noticed swelling on my right breast.  I had 10 biopsies done on April 23. 2012 on my right breast and had some discomfort on and off since the biopsies but not any swelling or stabbing pain.  I went back to my post, Booking Control, and told my co-worker, Shannon McKeehan, I am probably going to have to go to the ER.  She asked if she could take a break before I left.  I stated she had time since I had not spoken to anyone about being able to leave yet.  When she left on her break  I saw Lt Haman walk back into the building and I asked her to come into Booking Control.  I felt comfortable telling her I was experiencing pain and where it was because she was aware I had the biopsies approximately a month earlier.  When I asked her if I could go to the ER, she didn’t say yes or no, she said let’s go see Barb Rush, she is the head nurse in medical.  She is the nurse for the inmates.  I stated I was not comfortable with going to medical and speaking with her about this and that I just wanted to go to the ER.  By that time my co-worker returned from her break and Lt. Haman said let’s go.  I didn’t say anything in front of my co-worker because I didn’t want her to know what I was going through.  Lt. Haman started walking down 19 hallway and I felt I had no choice but to follow even though the entire time I kept repeating I did not feel comfortable going to medical and I just wanted to go to the ER.  I told her Barb was not my oncologist or the nurse of my specialist and I did not want to see her or explain to her what was happening to me.  Lt Haman did not say anything she just continued walking me down to medical.  I wanted to turn around and leave but I was afraid I would be fired for leaving my post without permission or for insubordination.  Once we got to medical I was clearly upset and Lt Haman knew without a doubt I did not want to go to medical.  Lt Haman called on the radio for the medical officers to open the medical door.  We walked up to Barb Rush and Barb was sitting with another nurse she was training, do not know her name.  Lt. Haman asked if we could go into a private room.  Barb took us into a back room and Lt. Haman shut the door behind us and stood in front of the door the entire time we were in the room.  The door had a  long narrow window to the left of the door.  I was looking at it to see if anyone could see in and they could if they were taller than Lt. Haman.  That upset me.  Barb asked what was wrong and I said again, Barb I am having some medical issues and I am not comfortable speaking to you about it and I just want to go to the ER.  She said it was okay and what was the issue.  At that point I was hurting so bad and I just wanted to leave and figured the only way I could leave was to tell her what was going on.  When I told her about the pain and where it was and that earlier I had biopsies in that area she said let me see.  Lt Haman said something to the fact of tell her or show her I can not remember exactly so I do not want to quote her and Barb said let me see.  So I thought I had no choice but to show her because Lt Haman was still standing in front of  the door so there was no way I could walk towards the door and ask to leave.  I pulled up the right side of my shirt and slid my bra to the right so Barb could see my right breast and she said it looks swollen and hot to the touch.  She said she could give me some ibuprofen and an ice pack.  I said fine because I just wanted to leave.  So Barb gave me a hazard bag to fill with ice and some ibuprofen.  I said nothing to Lt Haman when we walked out because I was so angry and humiliated I just wanted to find a bathroom to hide in for a minute.  I went to staff dining and put ice in the bag and went into the bathroom and tried to adjust the ice pack where no one could see it but it was too bulky.  So I went back to my post and asked Shannon to write me out on break and went to my car and put the ice pack on my breast and was getting more irritated and angry.  I could not go back inside with the ice pack because you could clearly see it and I work with male inmates all around me and male officers.  I tried calling my roommate and she didn’t answer to tell her what happened.  I called Lt. Haman and begged her to allow me to leave because I was in so much pain and was not able to wear the ice pack while doing my job.  She finally said yes and I asked her to allow Office Lutz, a female officer I work with, to grab my belongings and bring them to me at my car.  She allowed Officer Lutz to bring me my personal belongings.  I was upset and crying and Officer Lutz asked me what was wrong and I told her what Lt made me do and she said she can’t do that and I am so sorry you had to go through that.   By this time it was exactly 12:48 am so I endured pain and humiliation for approximately an hour.  I went home and was so upset with what happened I changed out of my uniform and got an ice pack from my freezer and went to bed.  I was so humiliated I did not want to go to the ER anymore and put the covers over my head and went to bed.   My roommate, who is an officer at the jail saw my msg and came and woke me up and asked me what happened.  When I told her she stated she was not allowed to do keep you from going to the ER and she should have never asked me to go to medical much less make me go and show my breast to a jail nurse.    She stated all she should have asked you was can you drive to the ER or do you need someone to take you.  

 

It took me a few weeks to decide what I wanted to do.  I understand if I file a complaint and hire an attorney for this I will eventually be asked to resign.  I have no one to pay my bills and I do not trust Barb or Lt Haman to tell the truth because what they did violated all my rights, civil, federal, hippa and who knows what else.  But I can not allow this to happen to me and do nothing about it.  I get physically sick when I have to put on my uniform or even have to discuss this situation.  And going to work and having to look at Lt Haman upsets me.  I try not to have to talk to her and stay at my post and not speak to anyone.  This is not the first time Lt Haman has treated me unfairly but this was the straw that broke the camels back.  I have co-workers that notice she does not treat me fairly and have said something to me about it.  I have just ignored it, but this kind of treatment I can not ignore.  And Major Hibbs and Administration Lt Cummings have clearly proved they just want this to go away and do not care what this situation has done to me emotionally or how physically upset I am about it.  They just want me to forget about it.  I was told this happened a month ago and at this agency we do things in a timely manner and a month has been long enough and I need to forget about it.    

 


From: Arielle Tyree
Sent: ‎June‎ ‎27‎, ‎2012 ‎9‎:‎49‎ ‎AM
To: Carrie Finch
Subject: RE: Complaint

Carrie,

I think this looks good. It’s an accurate, detailed description of what occurred that night.  I think your best bet is to bring this to HR and have them assist you with the issue.  Or, are you wanting to file a contract grievance instead?

 

Arielle Tyree, Esq.

Coastal Florida PBA/PEA

atyree@cfpba.us
1166 Pelican Bay Drive
Daytona Beach, FL 32119

Phone: 386-304-2393

Fax: 386-788-2126

So, before we go further, this is what pisses me off about PBA/PEA, the advice was to have Carrie take this to the HR Department, after what happened to her? Is the PBA/PEA not the representation that she has paid for over the years? Bullshit flag number 1.

Carrie seeks legal council, please notice the dates as you read along:

Finch demand letter to Sheriff-1

Response from letter:

Finch-1

Three months later, an e-mail is sent to the former Sheriff Parker:

Letter to Sheriff to extend paid leave-2

On December 17. 2012 Carrie Finch was terminated from the Sheriff’s Department without prejudice.

The last legal letter sent was on January 14, 2013:

Letter to Sugerman for Exit Settlement-1

Email Carrie received:

From: Bev Turner
Sent: ‎February‎ ‎19‎, ‎2013 ‎5‎:‎28‎ ‎PM
To: Carrie Finch
Subject: Status

Hi Carrie,

 

I spoke to Al today about what we had talked about earlier today.  He believes it is in your best interest to try to reach a settlement with the other party.  I am going to call opposing counsel tomorrow and schedule a telephone conference with him, Al and Jill so they can discuss your case further.  As soon as I get the phone call scheduled, I will let you know the date.

 

part1Beverly Turner, Paralegal

Jill S. Schwartz & Associates, P.A.

 

  655 W. Morse Boulevard, Suite 212
Winter Park, Florida 32789-3745

Telephone: (407) 647-8911
Facsimile: (407) 628-4994

  E-mail: bturner@schwartzlawfirm.net

From: Bev Turner
Sent: ‎August‎ ‎12‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎59‎ ‎PM
To: ctfinch2003@yahoo.com
CC: Al Truesdell
Subject: EEOC status

Carrie,

 

Per our telephone conversation, I spoke to Al about your concerns on supplying the EEOC with a rebuttal.  Al is going to be out all day tomorrow in hearings and is tied up today preparing for them.  He wants to review your file and his notes on Wednesday and then get back with you regarding whether a rebuttal needs to be sent to the EEOC at this time.

 

Thank you.

 

part1Beverly Turner, Paralegal

Jill S. Schwartz & Associates, P.A.

 

  655 W. Morse Boulevard, Suite 212
Winter Park, Florida 32789-3745

Telephone: (407) 647-8911
Facsimile: (407) 628-4994

  E-mail: bturner@schwartzlawfirm.net

According to Finch, she learned that the EEOC learned that BCSO found no wrong doing on either Lt. Hammond’s part nor the the Nurse Barb Rush’s part. Before I rant, let me say that I called a Nurse who had been in the field for over 23 years, and was a Nurse in a jail and I asked “Nurse Ratchet a couple of questions:f
BBN: “When you were a Nurse in a jail, was it common for you to see employees, either LEO’s or Civilians?”
Nurse “Ratchet”: “We saw employees for TB tests, of course code blues, blood pressure or sugar issues. We cleaned up scratches, or bites, but if you mean as far as like doing physicals or other routine medical things? No.”
BBN: “Let me ask you this, suppose there was a civilian employee who had been through cancer biopsies, on her breast, was experiencing a sharp stabbing pain in her breast, and the breast was hot to the touch, would you diagnose it? Give the employee ibuprofen, ice, all the while she was telling you she did not want to show you, that she wanted to go the the ER?”
Nurse “Ratchet”: “Considering this was a civilian employee, and given the history, no, it would have been a liability. I would have advised she saw a physician immediately. Jails are filthy, and if there is an infection, that means she would have had a fever, and well, she would not have been on her best game anyway. She should have gone to the ER.”
This entire situation is embarrassing, and being a woman, there is just no way I would ever believe someone would make this up. Therefore, I believe all that Finch has said.
I have come to my own conclusion that the PBA/PEA is a sheer and utter waste of money. Why would they receive a complaint and then immediately contact Major Hibbs? Are you serious? Guess what, the Union should not be taking the money from the hard working employees based on these types of performances. There is no way in hell, the union should be chummy with the command staff…the very people that they are paid to protect you from being mistreated by. Perhaps that is why the enrollment numbers are down?
One of the other things that irritates me is there are employees within the command staff at the jail that are straight up stupid, and seem to forget that they are supposed to look out for the taxpayers as well as the best interest of the county, and they don’t.
For the life of me, I can not understand how another woman, who happens to be a Lieutenant could not muster up enough compassion for another woman and a private health issue. What kind of human being is she? With her theory, the nurses at the jail should just go ahead and start doing breast exams and maybe even pap smears?
A lot of crap happened at the jail while under the last administration, and a lot of it was sick. What I can’t help but wonder, is what the hell do some of the command staff care about? Many Deputies are treated poorly, and then civilian employees are treated poorly, how do you treat the inmates? (Examples of poorly treated civilian employees include: A CT that is known to have heart problems in the past, has chest pains, and a sergeant has him drive himself to the ER. When his wife found out about this, she was enraged, and asked the hard question, “What if my husband would have died on the way there?” What would that have cost the taxpayers? Another example? Another civilian employee, prior to her daughter having a baby out of state, was told by one sergeant that she could go when the daughter went into labor and be there, due to the fact that this was a military family, and they could be leaving the country soon. After driving over 8 hours to see her new born grandson or granddaughter, she was called by another sergeant and told she needed to be at work the next day, so she was able to spend very little time to meet her grandchild before she had to turn around drive 8 hours to be at work at 0600. How would that Sergeant have felt if his college age daughter was having a baby, he drove for 8 hours, and then his supervisor called him and told him to return?)
In one of the above letters it is documented that “Major Hibbs compounded the wrongdoing by telling Ms. Finch to stop consulting with her union representative.” Another bullshit flag, and another poor decision by a supervisor. Ya know what I’m saying?
If I was a betting girl, I would bet that the then Jail Commander had no knowledge that any of these poor decisions were being made. It’s hard to say rather or not the former Sheriff, Jack Parker knew about this situation or not. I really hope he did not, because I just can’t imagine anyone being that cold.
JAIL Command Staff: STOP preaching that you are a family, and then treat employees like poo. If I was in your family, I would put myself up for ADOPTION or file for emancipation. WHAT DO YOU CARE ABOUT, besides your titles?
What about Finch? Everyone dropped the ball…PBA/PEA, Attorneys, BCSO, where does she go from here? She contacted Al Boecher from PBA, who contacted Hibbs, who contacted Finch, who contacted Al again, who told her to contact Ariel who did nothing. I would be filing a complaint with the State PBA/PEA as my first step.  It’s time that some of the bullies get taken down a notch….

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • Rodney Richter says:

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    What I see here is people hiding behind fictitious names or cover names or whatever you want to call it. If you have any guts you will bring out your real name. I am going to assume you work for the jail and don’t want to lose your job or you are someone who works for the jail and are on the side of the people who basically violated your policies unless those policies changed. To do what was done to Ms. Finch first was a breach of common decency. Secondly, When I worked there I was told that contract medical personnel could not treat our staff unless it was life threatening. Thirdly she should have been allowed to go to the ER if she had a problem. A family member of mine was told by a major that she had too many surgeries (which wasn’t her fault) and eventually medically terminated. Her own doctors said this was not legal. Of course when this was turned over to the state they could not find the paperwork in the system. It somehow disappeared. She had her own paperwork , emails and the like but it could not be found in the system anywhere. Something is crappy in Denmark there among certain leaders and they should be investigated. This kind of thing has went on with some others also. The only reason I don’t name names is because I don’t want to get sued. Certain leaders there make the department look bad and somehow these things either do not get to Parkway or someone at Parkway is covering. Even had a leader tell me one time that Parkway doesn’t have to know everything. I would say some independent investigation is in order. So the ones speaking against Carrie’s situation, you afraid to put your name out there? Records seem to have a habit of disappearing. By the way, I put my name out there and I do not expect any retaliation. I am retired from the department and I don’t want to see it dirtied by treating people like crap. I am proud of my service and my department. I am proud of some of my ex-leaders who treated people right. Some leaders don’t deserve the badge or the leadership position.

  • Carrie says:

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    To HEY and ITS ONLY A FLESH WOUND: I want to start out saying I respect your views and opinions. To your response regarding why I just didn’t leave after asking to go to the ER. I didn’t ask, I stated I needed to go to the ER. I felt comfortable letting Lt. Haman know because 1. she is a female and could understand how uncomfortable it would be to speak to a male sergeant, and 2. she knew what I had gone through 3 weeks prior. If I had walked out the back sallyport door, I could have been fired for leaving my post without permission. But you knew that, since you work so close to all of us involved. To your response about how Lt. Haman and Barb Rush go out of their way to help people, well that is where we disagree. I do agree that Barb Rush was only trying to help, BUT, as a nurse she should know HIPPA policy inside and out and backwards and forwards. Once Lt. Haman asked her if there was a room she could take us to and I stated I am not comfortable with sharing what I am going through and I only wanted to go to the ER, she should have stated here is a phone if you need to call someone to pick you up. Lt. Haman is not her supervisor. Barb Rush had the power to tell her no and pick up the phone and call her immediate supervisor and advise what was being asked of her by the Lt. But she didn’t. She made her choices so now she and Lt and admin, IA and PBA can now explain to me why I was not protected. And why they have continued to protect those that illegally took me into a room and stood in front of the door until I exposed one of the most intimate parts of a womans body. And lastly, would you ask a person that was raped why they didn’t seek help or go to the ER and be examined, if they chose to go home and hide under the covers from the world? I would hope you would not be that insensitive. DO NOT judge me! I went to seek help by someone that has taken an oath to uphold the law, wears a badge and who is in a supervisory position to protect all employees on her shift. She failed me in ways you will never understand and THEN the entire chain of command, administration, IA and PBA failed to protect me after I filed my complaint. Have your opinions, but DO NOT say this never happened, because it did. I was fired because I filed a complaint and didn’t play into their intimidation and bullying tactics. They have pushed me into a corner to fight back. They have had 19 months to make this right and they have done nothing. So sit back and watch as this whole ugly situation unfolds.

    • just a flesh wound says:

      Safari MacIntosh

      Ok I never said walk out of work I just don’t get if you were in so much pain when you finally left, why did you not go to the ER ? Im not judging you at all and if your fight is with the PBA/PEA then why bash 2 other people your making them look bad with out their story. I have heard part of your story but I choose not to listen to the stuff that goes through the jail. This is why i don’t listen to rumors and thats a fact!! (only telling one side) As I look at it you went to Lt Haman for help and thats what she was doing, trying to get you help right away. So you can be nasty and put all this stuff out for other people to read but I’m just asking to hear what happen from there side? Dana I ask you this, were you there do you know 100% that what Ms Finch is saying is the truth? (I’m not calling her a lier just making a point). See I have been part of the rumor mill before and it was all one sided, thats why I am asking to hear both sides!

      • Brevardsbestnews says:

        Safari Android 4.1.2;

        the documents posted on this article were received by the Sheriff’s Department, they have had 18 months to respond. If these acquisitions were false, there would have been documents backing that up. A bit of advice, “Stand By Your Man” sounds much better performed by Tammy Wynette.

  • It's just a flesh wound! says:

    Safari MacIntosh

    I’m with hey where is the other side I have worked close with all you speak of and find this all very hard to believe in fact its just the the other way around. Lt.Haman and Nurse Rush have always gone out of there way to help, and as for Lt. Haman she always puts her people first, and I feel she goes above and beyond.

    • Hey says:

      Safari MacIntosh

      Seems like my first comment disappeared…. I wonder where the other side of the story and responses from the opposing parties are? So it seems that this is a cry to get people on one side of the story only.

      • Brevardsbestnews says:

        Firefox 26.0 Windows

        HEY! Your first comment did not disappear, nor did your second. In fact the last three comments up here are the same person, and glad they can agree with them-self. I am all about getting both sides of the story, but, please tell me what could be a comeback? Holding someone against their will is against the law. We trust people to follow the law, and then it is violated, by the people who are to uphold it. Believe it or not a woman should be able to go to work with out having to show anyone her breasts. Carrie Finch was violated, and then violated again, and again. If you can’t see that, well, then you can’t see that. What if a male employee wanted to the ER because there was issues with his penis, would LT. Hammond then made Nurse Rush examine his penis???
        Thanks for reading BBN! Dana

        • just a flesh wound says:

          Safari MacIntosh

          There is always two sides to a story!!! So I just want to know did you talk to either LT HAMAN or Mrs Rush? I just feel before you believe what one person says you need to hear the whole truth, there seems to be some wholes in her store!! If I was in that much pain upset or not I would of went right to the ER and if there was something found by the DR, I would of showed it and put them in there place but MS Finch did not do that she went home and to sleep, so my next question is when did she go to the DR. Now don’t get me wrong I’m sorry she was hurting but I would just like to hear both sides to this story. Now this is the first I’m hearing of this story and like I said before I have worked close with all 3 of these ladies and I see them in a different light!! Now as for you saying this is the same person you are wrong we are 2 different people not one!! (just in the same house) using 1 computer.. See not everything is at it seems.. Thanks for your time.

          • Brevardsbestnews says:

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            Usually there are three sides to a story, his, hers, and the truth. I did not talk to either HAMAN or Rush, as you are missing the big picture here. Ms. Finch paid her union dues, she contacted her union, we saw how that worked out. The paid PBA/PEA did nothing. I am proud of you for you saying that you would have gone straight to the ER, sounds like you and Haman have a good relationship, and there probably would have not been a problem. It also appears that you and Ms. Finch have a different personality, as you would have “put them in their place”. This is the first time you have heard of this story? Ms. Finch is finally willing and able to talk about it, since she chose not to discuss it with you at work prior, well, that goes to show her character, it was not open for discussion.
            As far as your comment about the two people in the house , good point….not everything is what it seems. Dana

  • Hey says:

    Safari MacIntosh

    Where’s the other side of the story? I see no responses from the other side. So like I always say a one sided story always wins the hearts of others when it shouldn’t.

  • EJ says:

    Safari iPhone  iOS 7.0.4

    I’m sorry…. That was all messed up. The whole story enraged me…..I am pro-finch.

  • EJ says:

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    I know that what finch is saying is completely accurate. I will stay anonymous- but I worked side by side with her for a hot minute and what was done, was not called doans unethical.

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